Published on 06/04/03 at 01:00:06 PST by CaptianNeatoMan
The group Genesis is synonymous with "progressive" rock, and this is more than a mere title handed out. Rather, progressive rock means more than progressive musically, but the lyrics to back it up. And since the opposite of pro is con, than "conservative" is definitely not Genesis's bag.
Sure, to say I'm a fan is to tell the unbiased truth, I named my boat after them. But I'm a fan and a liberal, and to me, the entire catalogue of Genesis records has something to say about today's world. The following are exerts:
Selling England By The Pound, 1973
Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
"Can you tell me where my country lies?" said the unifaun to his true love's eyes. "It lies with me!" cried the Queen of Maybe - for her merchandise, he traded in his prize.
"Paper late!" cried a voice in the crowd. "Old man dies!" The note he left was signed 'Old Father Thames' - it seems he's drowned; selling England by the pound.
Young man says "you are what you eat" - eat well. Old man says "you are what you wear" - wear well. You know what you are, you don't give a damn; bursting your belt that is your homemade sham."
This is interesting, it obviously depicts consumerism as it is, only in a midievil setting. "Selling England By The Pound" is the equivalent of "Selling America By The Dollar."
Firth Of Fifth
"The path is clear Though no eyes can see The course laid down long before. And so with gods and men The sheep remain inside their pen, Though many times they've seen the way to leave.
He rides majestic Past homes of men Who care not or gaze with joy, To see reflected there The trees, the sky, the lily fair, The scene of death is lying just below."
Reminds me of Fox News, "The sheep remain inside their pen." Also, "To see reflected there, The trees, the sky, the lily fair, The scene of death is lying just below." This has a strong correlation to events in Iraq. The trees, the sky, and the Lilly fair would be the Iraqis "dancing in the streets," but we all know, the scene of death is lying right below, we just can't see it.
The Battle Of Epping Forest
"Along the Forest Road, there's hundreds of cars - luxury cars. Each has got its load of convertible bars, cutlery cars - superscars! For today is the day when they sort it out, sort it out, 'cos they disagree on a gangland boundary. They disagree on a gangland boundary."
Luxury cars to me could be SUVs, and "They disagree on a gangland boundary." You can take this as it comes, but I take it to be the constant fight over unimportant things, and the cost of human life in no way accounted for by the greedy. You might even equate it to the Texas Democrats!
Wind and Wuthering, 1976
Blood On The Rooftops (complete song)
Dark and grey, an English film, the Wednesday Play We always watch the Queen on Christmas Day Won't you stay?
Though your eyes see shipwrecked sailors you're still dry The outlook's fine though Wales might have some rain Saved again.
Let's skip the news boy (I'll make some tea) The Arabs and the Jews boy (too much for me) They get me confused boy (puts me off to sleep) And the thing I hate - Oh Lord! Is staying up late, to watch some debate, on some nation's fate.
Hypnotized by Batman, Tarzan, still surprised! You've won the West in time to be our guest Name your prize!
Drop of wine, a glass of beer dear what's the time? The grime on the Tyne is mine all mine all mine Five past nine.
Blood on the rooftops - Venice in the Spring Streets of San Francisco - a word from Peking The trouble was started - by a young Errol Flynn Better in my day - Oh Lord! For when we got bored, we'd have a world war, happy but poor
So let's skip the news boy (I'll go make that tea) Blood on the rooftops (too much for me) When old Mother Goose stops - they're out for 23 Then the rain at Lords stopped play Seems Helen of Troy has found a new face again.
This one is far more obvious, so I'll only point out some simple things. The first stanza is setting a mood of our disconnected life The second stanza points out how simple we are The third is interesting, "Arabs and the Jews" makes much sense these days, but also one line sticks out, "And the thing I hate - Oh Lord! Is staying up late, to watch some debate, on some nation's fate." To me, this shows our uncaring about people in far off lands, and how we just don't care! It's true. The fourth stanza is the stupid fantasy we live in, in which we are always the good guy. The fifth, again, re-enforcing how simple we are The sixth is very interesting, "streets of San Francisco," and the recent protests, and how they became almost bloody. Also, "[W]hen we go bored, we'd have a world war, happy but poor." This is probably the most obvious line. Many believe that WW-I was fought for almost no reason. Some say money, others the assassination of Francis Ferdinand, but honestly, was it worth it? The seventh stanza is odd, but seems to re-affirm that we know the world is messed up, but choose to ignore it.
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Phil Collins is a reactionary scumbag
Written on 06/11/03 at 02:54:38 PST by bataille34
Sorry to disillusion the person who posted this piece, but ... Phil Collins is a major supporter of the Tories -- that is England's Conservative Party who gave the world the likes of the Iron Lady -- and post-Gabriel Genesis has been implicated in some fairly insensitive business dealings. I'd agree that Peter Gabriel hangs to the left, but since he left the band, their political stance has swerved steadily to the right (or, more aptly, the wrong). Feel free to check it out ... Phil Collins' disgusting politics are a matter of record as are the band's grasping ways of doing business.
Written on 06/11/03 at 19:39:48 PST by CaptainNeatoMan
Suprisingly, I read an article in the mirror about Gabriel's comments regarding the war in Iraq. He was against Bush. Genesis has a long record of being left wing, mostly against American conservatives, such as Nixon portrayed in their 1986 release "Land Of Confusion." Phil Collins is listed at almost all celebrity websites as being left wing, his support of the tories is neglagable, he is a major contributer to charity, and a bleeding heart if ever there was one.
Written on 06/11/03 at 19:42:07 PST by CaptainNeatoMan
Reagan was Land of Confusion's fall guy. Also, when I say "Genesis," I'm usually referring to Banks/Rutherford.
a friendly rejoinder
Written on 06/13/03 at 11:35:52 PST by bataille34
Cap'n ... Thanks for the information. I certainly won't vigorously argue about Genesis's politics. Besides I can tell it's important to you that they are liberal. However, I'll just throw out a few points. I do agree -- as I noted in my initial posting -- that Peter Gabriel hangs to the left. As a matter of fact, from what he has said himself he's a proud internationalist & socialist; in short, his politics are irreproachable. As for Phil Collins, perhaps the problem arises around our respective definitions of the word "negligible". He has acknowledged being a Conservative & has supported Tory candidates ... to me that's not negligible. (It's like saying I'm Republican ... but just a little bit. Or, I voted for Bush, but just once ...). I'm glad to hear that he's given money to charitable causes (among others), but that wasn't precisely the issue. Of course it's wonderful that even Collins spoke out against the war, but in England (unlike the U.S.), support for the unnecessary war "on" Iraq was tepid even after the bombs started falling. As for Genesis as an entity, there was some concern about some of the ways they spent their money (e.g., the "insensitive" purchase of a Scottish island, etc.) which received some coverage 7 or 8 years ago. But it's good to know that, on the main, they are liberal.
Written on 06/13/03 at 20:42:14 PST by CaptainNeatoMan
Well Phil is only one of the 6 main members. But like you say, he's sponsored torys in the past. I have to say, I have a friend who voted for Bush, and is a republican. I consider him to be a liberal. He too spoke poorly of the war, and Bush. He, like Collins, may still vote for the conservatives because of a small but important issue, like abortion or religion. However, he promised never to vote for Bush again. So like I say, to us, liberal isn't just a party line, it's a state of mind...
liberal in word but not by deed
Written on 06/13/03 at 21:50:41 PST by bataille34
Captain, I know people who apply all kinds of labels to themselves. People who think they're decent & moral human beings, who'd steal you blind with little prompting; Bush is a prime example of the hyper-moral charlatan. & so pardon me for looking askance at your example of a friend who claims liberalism but votes for Bush & is a Republican. Such a glaring discrepancy between self-perception & deeds is the foundation for a nasty case of hypocrisy & often for psychological ill-health. One can feel free to call themselves any name they wish; it's for the observer to determine whether those labels are at all meaningful (or based in fact). I won't contest that what defines a liberal isn't expressly dependent on political party membership. Democrats have done little to prove themselves committed to liberal values of late (while Republicans sneer & denigrate liberalism as a matter of course). Ultimately however there has to be some connection between that label & the political actions undertaken for the word "liberal" to have any meaning. As for "state of mind", I should hope those are dependent not only on accurate perceptions of one's self, but also on that special quality which allows our beliefs to be grounded in true feeling & not fantasy. Cheers! Haha ... & we can certainly change the topic!
Phil Collins A Liberal
Written on 04/19/08 at 19:05:43 PST by TimberWolf
The comment by bataille34 describing Phil Collins as a Tory/Conservative is inaccurate. While he admits voting for some Tory candidates in the past, he says he is not, and has never been a conservative or a 'member' of the Tory party. (This from a 2004 question and answer forum on Phil's official website). He says his father, an insurance salesman, was a Tory and that rubbed off on him a bit. However, the main reason he is labeled a Tory is because of a comment he made regarding the government's tax policies back in the 80s, which at that time was under the control of the Labour Party. However, it is clear that he is social liberal who cares about issues important to liberals. He has donated millions in charity over his lifetime to organizations that help the homeless and impoverished. He has participated in events (Live Aid '85) that raised money for the fight against poverty and AIDS in Africa; Knebworth, which raised money for people with disabilities, The Concert For Monserrat, which raised money for volcano victims, Live Earth '07, which raised money for environmental awareness; just to name a few. He is a supporter of animal rights and PETA, supports environmental conservation (he participated in an effort to clean up Lake Geneva, near his current home), is pro-choice,supports gun control, is anti-Bush, and is against the war in Iraq. He, like Peter Gabriel, supports civil rights and has surrounded himself with musicians from all backgrounds. He has written or co-written many songs dealing with human and world issues. He admits being 'turned-off' by politics and politicians of all parties, and tries to avoid politics. He now lives in Switzerland, and is not bothered about British politics. The 'insenstive dealings' that went on with Genesis, particularly the latest one in Liverpool, were more or less conducted by Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford, and their manager Tony Smith. Phil was in Switzerland at the time and had very little interest in the issues.
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